Net Neutrality....probably should have a thread here on it.

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Post by MegaNigger » Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:04 am

On the other hand, you can't over regulate businesses to the point that they can't get shit done.

Libertarians I've noticed are the kind of fucks who happened to get rich on investments and a cushy job they worked hard at sure, but are so out of touch with reality.
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Post by Poonoo » Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:38 am

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Maybe the free market values fucking slavery, ever think about that shit, ancaps?
I was about to go off at you for going full retard, but you specifically mentioned ancaps so actually you are 100% right. A lot of Leftards tell Libertarians that Somalia is their society in action but they are being fucking stupid, that actually applies to ancaps since Libertarians at least want a government to protect your basic rights. Hilariously, that idiot Stephan Molyneux defended Somalia by comparing it to how shit it was before with communism. He kept repeating "compared to what" constantly but all that proves is that an ancap society won't actually improve anything and things will stay shitty.

He has just made National Socialism look like a good alternative, yet again it's starting to become a meme that ancaps eventually become white nationalists:

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CIANIgger wrote:
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Libertarians I've noticed are the kind of fucks who happened to get rich on investments and a cushy job they worked hard at sure
>implying they aren't autistic liberals who are also useless to society

Not many libertarians are actually rich, other than a few talking heads. Why?
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Libertarians... are so out of touch with reality.
You nailed it.
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Post by VoiceOfReasonPast » Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:39 am

Poonoo wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:18 am
When you listen to them long enough you start realising that they see the free market as some sort of god that provides for you if you want something. Instead of praying for it, you demand it like a consumer and "the free market will provide'. They ignore that some things aren't profitable.
"Free market" only works if you believe that consumers aren't lazy/stupid/stuck with a single provider and that corporations aren't run by greedy assholes.
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Post by MegaNigger » Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:15 pm

>implying they aren't autistic liberals who are also useless to society

Not many libertarians are actually rich, other than a few talking heads. Why?
CIANIgger wrote:
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Libertarians... are so out of touch with reality.
You nailed it.
Like I said, it's something I notice. Anecdotally, the only Libertardians I've met and/or seen are those baby boomer/gen X type fucks that "got a real job" and maybe went a little higher in it, and used some spare income to pay a guy to invest for them. I'm not saying that's not smart or sensible, that's awesome good for them.

What irks me is how they can't look beyond their own lives, so they ascribe to a system that's all about "The Free Market" and "True Capitalism", and talk all this nonsense about advanced societies because "people are basically good".

This inability to look outside their bubbles is what pisses me off to no end. It's like giving your kid a trust fund, but he's basically not a shit head and won't ruin things and puts in a normal person's effort and has a good life, suddenly drudging up issues they have zero idea about.

That's Libertarians in a nutshell for me. :|
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Post by Guest » Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:07 am

So are burgers fucked now? I heard they punched it through.
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This and many other examples like petrol prices not being competitive is why Libertarians can fuck off with their notion that competition will just appear like magic and that "the free market will provide".
One of the reasons I'm not voting for AfD for now unless the libertarian part get's crushed. The German economy was based on the ideas that the situation for workers, when the industrialization began, was absolute cancer so the hands off approach was dropped. Many wild theories also have not come true like the free market regulating itself or companies unconsciously fulfilling the need of everyone through their pursue of profit.

People now think the way we fix everything is with socialism. Giving every bloke a fixed amount of "free" money every month that they call unconditional basic income. Several people already layed out how this isn't gonna work in the long run and for example how you gonna get fucked hard by a corrupt state because they now have much more control over you.

I haven't researched enough but it seems every high culture eventually crumbles through money. Maybe Star Trek is right after all. If you can convince people there is a dude in the sky or you can make kids believe that they are part of the arian masterrace then a society without money should be easy. The question is if the outcome will be beneficial :lol:





According to Oswald Spengler, Hitler didn't succeed because the money of democracies was still strong at the time. With Democracy coming to an end in the USA and Great Britain aswell, this time there won't be a rescue. If you compare the Weimar Republic to the USA and Germany now, you see some things are very similar like the left and right dynamics. Turkey already has made the transition to Tryanny.

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Post by VoiceOfReasonPast » Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:43 pm

Did somebody mention Star Trek economics?!
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Post by Kugelfisch » Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:23 am

Poonoo wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:38 am
Hilariously, that idiot Stephan Molyneux defended Somalia by comparing it to how shit it was before with communism. He kept repeating "compared to what" constantly but all that proves is that an ancap society won't actually improve anything and things will stay shitty.
You don't have to compare getting your dick nailed to a wall to anything to make it seem terrible. There's no "at least I'm not..." that's satisfying.
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Post by Just Some Random Guy » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:53 am

rabidtictac wrote:
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Or that the "free market" might value shit that directly goes against what they want or even basic humanitarian emotions.

Maybe the free market values fucking slavery, ever think about that shit, ancaps?
Actually, they have, as they have a counterargument I've read. The claim is that for slavery to be economically viable, it needs the government to be enforcing it. While the fact you don't have to pay a slave is good for profits, what's not very good is the fact that you have to pay for their shelter, pay for all their food, pay for enough healthcare to keep them in good shape (remember, the slave has to be healthy enough to actually do their job), and also pay for all the security necessary to keep them from simply running off and, if they do escape, to get them again. That's a lot of expenses to avoid having to give a paycheck. In order for that to actually be profitable, you need someone else to cover some of the costs, and that's where the government comes in.

Take the government in the US when slavery was legal. The government did a lot to to subsidize the costs on that. For example, the government foot much of the bill in catching escaped slaves, both by catching the slaves themselves but also by making it illegal to help an escaped slave, which both discouraged people from doing so and also means they could go after those that did, again saving the slaveowners money spent on security.

I'm not sure I buy it, but that is the claim as to why a free market won't support slavery, because you need a government to provide enforcement of it in order to reduce the costs.

Of course, the counterargument to that, at least against a straight anarcho-capitalist, is what I find to be the problem with anarcho-capitalism in general: What in the world is stopping the biggest business from simply setting up a government and ruling that way? It's not like there's any government to stop them. Maybe the other businesses could try to stop them, but then you basically end up with war and no stability.

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Post by Kugelfisch » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:15 am

Slavery wasn't ever a thing in Germany. We had what practically boils down to slavery instead with feudality ruling over everyone.
Technically, the peasent wasn't a slave. But having a farm with all the hard labour and having to give away almost everything you've worked for with only the bare minimum left isn't much different. Then you had farm helpers even below that who weren't even granted their "own" land and had to sleep in the barn, getting only shelter and food and, if they were lucky, some payment.

Rando ancap dude couldn't just get some slave to work for him, sure. But who owns the land rando ancap lives on? Who's to say he wouldn't be the slave to that corporation/powerful person himself? The lord had the land and an army, the peasent had land to work on for the lord, the peasent had farm helpers. No slavery anywhere, yet you're not living much better than the slave.
Non-aggression pact my ass. That's a made up rule that hasn't ever worked in the history of mankind, has no moral basis at all and is just like any law with no enforcement force behind it unenforceable. Somebody will just come along and fuck your shit up. The community won't come to save you because the community are a bunch of cowards that are happy they fucked your shit up and not theirs and because the one who fucked your shit up have an army to do so.

Ancap is nearsighted drivel from retarded manchildren who are either losers in capitalism or scammers that live wonderful under capitalism from autism bucks that those manchildren give them.
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Post by rabidtictac » Wed Jan 31, 2018 4:57 am

The feudal system is a form of slavery codified. The slave under feudalism has certain rights and privileges, but they are limited in many of the same ways traditional slaves were. They did not own the land: they were only given the use of it by the king. They did not really own anything and were considered property of their lord.

That said, peasants did have certain rights, as I said.

Muh NDP has not and never will work. Conflicts generally arise in competition over resources. I'd love to see how the NDP deals with fucking resource scarcity, when group A believes in the NDP and has resources, while group B does not believe in NDP and has no resources but a lot of manpower/military might.

All rights only exist to the extent they are backed up by violence or the threat of violence. Anyone who says otherwise is a fool. Might doesn't "make right," but it does "make reality." Morals come afterwards, to rationalize relationships which already exist to manage/mismanage resources.

Example:

Group A has a bunch of food and water.

My group, Group B, has none of this and can see you over there with Group A, enjoying all your nice things.

We can let our group die, voluntarily enslave ourselves to a group with resources in exchange for them, OR we can kill you, enslave your women and take your resources. Parents would rather kill a stranger than watch their kids starve.
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