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Their book is very clear in that dying in battle for Allah is always rewarded with heaven. Even an upper class heaven that other mortals can't reach. Doesn't matter who you kill or what the battle is, as long as it's in the name of Islam. In that case they are more proper Islam than any "moderates".
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Not to mention that pretty much any passage in their book is open to interpretation, so you can basically justify anything.
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Nope. Only very few passages are translated goofy because Islamists are dipshits. The Quran claims to be written in perfect Arabic. It's not. Almost all unclear words suddenly make sense when you take into account that during that time Aramaic was still a thing that and most people spoke in a mix of that and Arabic.VoiceOfReasonPast wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:21 pmNot to mention that pretty much any passage in their book is open to interpretation, so you can basically justify anything.
But as the Quran claims it's written in perfect Arabic they just assumed that their Arabic sucked and isn't as perfect as god's. So for the words they don't understand they just make shit up and call that Quran Arabic.
The most prominent example of such bullshittery are the virgins awaiting you if you go full snackbar. The text guarantees you "untouched *huris*" where huris isn't a word in Arabic at all so the scholars just made that shit about untouched *women* up.
Go with the theory of Aramaic being in the mix you get "untouched *grapes*", which makes a good deal more sense. All the rest about heaven is about how you get loads of perfect fruits and cold juice, as is fitting with the Arabian imagination about heaven during that time. The "fucking bitches" kinda heaven is a Persian thing.
All the parts that are fully translatable are very clear cut. There is no question about whether or not you should go kill disbelievers. You absolutely should. You're commanded to do so in fact.
There are parts that have a slightly different tone. However, the Quran is sorted from shortest text to longest text and latter texts always override former ones. The whole "go kill everyone for Allah" stuff is mostly in the latter and longer parts and thus overrides the shorter parts. There is also not a single mention about not killing in general or something.
As far as the Quran is concerned, ISIS is absolutely hallal.
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There are essentially two versions of the Quran mashed together to make today's Quran. Muhammad dictated the Meccan Quran during his time in Mecca and he then revised it and came up with the more violent Median Quran after the Meccan's chased him and his followers out of Mecca. Muhammad's excuse when questioned why some storied counteracted each other he simply said to follow the newest writing because they were the most correct interpretation of God's word. What's even worse is the book is not in chronological order so you need the Hadith to make sense of the time periods the scriptures were written in. At least you can read the Bible cover to cover. The Quran is a fucking chore to read.
I'd argue that the Black Stone is the ultimate in iconoclasm and should be destroyed by strict Islamic rule. The stone was destroyed once by Islamists and the existing pieces are being held together with silver.Jeanette Lewis wrote: No Muslim is going to attack the mosque at Mecca. No Muslim will kill other Muslims in their holiest month or Ramadan and no Muslim will kill innocent people as they really fear gods punishment when they die. Isis has no face, they use Islam as an excuse but intelligent people know exactly how and why Isis was formed and they aren't Muslims.
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Another possibility is the terrorist was a Shia and since the Saudis are Sunnis...rabidtictac wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 5:15 pmNo shit it was a mudslime terrorist. Probably one who was buttmad about the current government that controls Mecca or some shit.
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Mecca is still a holy place for the Shiites. This is most likely an act by ISIS supporters. ISIS threatened to destroy the stone in the past.
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The Saudis are Wahhabites, not Sunnis.Charlar wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:53 pmAnother possibility is the terrorist was a Shia and since the Saudis are Sunnis...rabidtictac wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 5:15 pmNo shit it was a mudslime terrorist. Probably one who was buttmad about the current government that controls Mecca or some shit.
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True, i forgot.Kugelfisch wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 11:54 pmThe Saudis are Wahhabites, not Sunnis.Charlar wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:53 pmAnother possibility is the terrorist was a Shia and since the Saudis are Sunnis...rabidtictac wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 5:15 pmNo shit it was a mudslime terrorist. Probably one who was buttmad about the current government that controls Mecca or some shit.
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That was written with the unwritten implication that the terrorist was batshit insane even by terrorists "standards"
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Which is merely a more extreme Sunni. And it was likely a Shia since not long ago Iran was attacked and someone probably wanted revenge because they assumed the Sunni Saudi's did it.Kugelfisch wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 11:54 pmThe Saudis are Wahhabites, not Sunnis.Charlar wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:53 pmAnother possibility is the terrorist was a Shia and since the Saudis are Sunnis...rabidtictac wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 5:15 pmNo shit it was a mudslime terrorist. Probably one who was buttmad about the current government that controls Mecca or some shit.
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