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Re: Islam

Post by Kugelfisch » Sat Jun 24, 2017 5:33 pm

Their book is very clear in that dying in battle for Allah is always rewarded with heaven. Even an upper class heaven that other mortals can't reach. Doesn't matter who you kill or what the battle is, as long as it's in the name of Islam. In that case they are more proper Islam than any "moderates".
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Re: Islam

Post by VoiceOfReasonPast » Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:21 pm

Not to mention that pretty much any passage in their book is open to interpretation, so you can basically justify anything.
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Re: Islam

Post by Kugelfisch » Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:53 pm

VoiceOfReasonPast wrote:
Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:21 pm
Not to mention that pretty much any passage in their book is open to interpretation, so you can basically justify anything.
Nope. Only very few passages are translated goofy because Islamists are dipshits. The Quran claims to be written in perfect Arabic. It's not. Almost all unclear words suddenly make sense when you take into account that during that time Aramaic was still a thing that and most people spoke in a mix of that and Arabic.
But as the Quran claims it's written in perfect Arabic they just assumed that their Arabic sucked and isn't as perfect as god's. So for the words they don't understand they just make shit up and call that Quran Arabic.
The most prominent example of such bullshittery are the virgins awaiting you if you go full snackbar. The text guarantees you "untouched *huris*" where huris isn't a word in Arabic at all so the scholars just made that shit about untouched *women* up.
Go with the theory of Aramaic being in the mix you get "untouched *grapes*", which makes a good deal more sense. All the rest about heaven is about how you get loads of perfect fruits and cold juice, as is fitting with the Arabian imagination about heaven during that time. The "fucking bitches" kinda heaven is a Persian thing.

All the parts that are fully translatable are very clear cut. There is no question about whether or not you should go kill disbelievers. You absolutely should. You're commanded to do so in fact.
There are parts that have a slightly different tone. However, the Quran is sorted from shortest text to longest text and latter texts always override former ones. The whole "go kill everyone for Allah" stuff is mostly in the latter and longer parts and thus overrides the shorter parts. There is also not a single mention about not killing in general or something.
As far as the Quran is concerned, ISIS is absolutely hallal.
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Re: Islam

Post by RAPEMAN » Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:17 pm

There are essentially two versions of the Quran mashed together to make today's Quran. Muhammad dictated the Meccan Quran during his time in Mecca and he then revised it and came up with the more violent Median Quran after the Meccan's chased him and his followers out of Mecca. Muhammad's excuse when questioned why some storied counteracted each other he simply said to follow the newest writing because they were the most correct interpretation of God's word. What's even worse is the book is not in chronological order so you need the Hadith to make sense of the time periods the scriptures were written in. At least you can read the Bible cover to cover. The Quran is a fucking chore to read.
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Re: Islam

Post by Charlar » Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:53 pm

rabidtictac wrote:
Sat Jun 24, 2017 5:15 pm
No shit it was a mudslime terrorist. Probably one who was buttmad about the current government that controls Mecca or some shit.
Another possibility is the terrorist was a Shia and since the Saudis are Sunnis...
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Re: Islam

Post by RAPEMAN » Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:12 pm

Mecca is still a holy place for the Shiites. This is most likely an act by ISIS supporters. ISIS threatened to destroy the stone in the past.
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Re: Islam

Post by Kugelfisch » Sat Jun 24, 2017 11:54 pm

Charlar wrote:
Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:53 pm
rabidtictac wrote:
Sat Jun 24, 2017 5:15 pm
No shit it was a mudslime terrorist. Probably one who was buttmad about the current government that controls Mecca or some shit.
Another possibility is the terrorist was a Shia and since the Saudis are Sunnis...
The Saudis are Wahhabites, not Sunnis.
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Re: Islam

Post by Charlar » Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:05 am

Kugelfisch wrote:
Sat Jun 24, 2017 11:54 pm
Charlar wrote:
Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:53 pm
rabidtictac wrote:
Sat Jun 24, 2017 5:15 pm
No shit it was a mudslime terrorist. Probably one who was buttmad about the current government that controls Mecca or some shit.
Another possibility is the terrorist was a Shia and since the Saudis are Sunnis...
The Saudis are Wahhabites, not Sunnis.
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Re: Islam

Post by Charlar » Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:08 am

RAPEMAN wrote:
Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:12 pm
Mecca is still a holy place for the Shiites. This is most likely an act by ISIS supporters. ISIS threatened to destroy the stone in the past.
That was written with the unwritten implication that the terrorist was batshit insane even by terrorists "standards"
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Re: Islam

Post by Poonoo » Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:04 am

Kugelfisch wrote:
Sat Jun 24, 2017 11:54 pm
Charlar wrote:
Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:53 pm
rabidtictac wrote:
Sat Jun 24, 2017 5:15 pm
No shit it was a mudslime terrorist. Probably one who was buttmad about the current government that controls Mecca or some shit.
Another possibility is the terrorist was a Shia and since the Saudis are Sunnis...
The Saudis are Wahhabites, not Sunnis.
Which is merely a more extreme Sunni. And it was likely a Shia since not long ago Iran was attacked and someone probably wanted revenge because they assumed the Sunni Saudi's did it.
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